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hey everyone welcome to geophob live

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stream today's guest is going to be

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Katie page she's also going to be one of

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the speakers at the Ozark Mountain UFO

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conference that's coming up this April

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but before I get more into that I wanted

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to just cover some things real quick

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regarding this interview

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um Katie will be later on taking some

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questions so for those of you that will

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start out with us from the beginning and

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have some questions for her you can

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either submit the questions on um on the

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YouTube chat or twitch or Facebook and

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please make sure to include the three

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stars or asterix's before your question

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so that way I know it's a question for

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me and not just a regular chatter in the

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chat rooms and also there's a live which

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reminds me I didn't activate it there's

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a live YouTube or a live telegram a

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voice chat going on right now where you

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can basically join it and you can ask

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Katie the question directly also if if

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you don't want to ask any questions you

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can just use it to listen because there

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is a just a Voice transmission on that

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as well so all the links are in the

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description below for the telegram group

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for also the YouTube twitch and Facebook

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as well so whatever works for you please

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use that so anyway let me switch over

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real quick to the

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Ozark website and so all the speakers

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have been scheduled they have submitted

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all their talk titles and what they will

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be discussing specifically uh you have

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you see Katie here and her talk title

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and you can check that out later on we

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have two of the keynote speakers which

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are going to be Chief Sean Cahill and

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Ben Hansen and of course all the other

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speakers that are going to be there's of

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course Terry Lovelace yema Trey Hudson

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and um there's Christy Peterson I had an

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interview with her last week so please

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check it out there's uh still a few

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tickets left you have about maybe a

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little bit over a week before the

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conference is going to be in Eureka

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Springs Arkansas from the 14th to 16th

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so check it out get your ticket and I

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hope to see you there

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so with that being said

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switch this over here real quick

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and bring Katie in

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Katie welcome thanks for being on

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well thank you so much Aidan for having

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me it's a pleasure to be here

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well I'm glad we're able to to work this

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um actually I didn't tell you uh before

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the show I meant to mention something

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but I wasn't even sure that I could

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maybe have the show because we had

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tornadoes that were announced very early

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on and thankfully they just kind of all

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the warnings went off they passed by and

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no no no outage everything was just fine

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so I'm happy to be able to do this

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well I'm happy you're all safe there

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that's pretty scary so hopefully they

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stay steer clear you know right well

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especially the house we live in is not

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exactly like the the studious of houses

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so I was like where where could we

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possibly go when we can hide oh no right

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yeah you need tornado shelters for sure

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it reminds me of The Three Little Pigs

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right house of stone and sticks and

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right well they've been a lot especially

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uh Southern um Arkansas Little Rock they

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were hit uh hit band and only recently

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saw some videos and it's like wow it's

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just entirely wiped out well I'm glad

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we're here we're doing this today and um

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so with every new guest um as I've

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mentioned to you before I would like to

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ask you to talk a little bit about your

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background and how everything started

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out for you and then we'll get into the

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rest later

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right well like so many of us that are

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interested in these topics you know

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um my these things tend to run our

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family so I grew up um hearing my

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grandfather my grandfather had a

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sighting out over Lake Como in Wisconsin

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and that sighting was in the early 60s

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and it was investigated by Jay Alan

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heineck I found out later and um and

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then my mother and I and my sister had a

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couple sightings going from Wisconsin

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over to Illinois I'm originally from

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Illinois moved out to Colorado in 1970

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but we had a couple sightings just right

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across the border into Illinois and

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Richmond of two oblong-shaped crabs

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crafts so I heard about that and then um

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like I said I moved to Colorado in 1970

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and as a young girl in the late 70s I

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spent some time on a ranch out in Elbert

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County Colorado and it was a very high

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strange dislocation we had a lot of

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unusual things happen but you know as

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you do you grow up you go through school

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forget about these things paranormal

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thing kind of always happened around us

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and me in the house and things like that

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and and raised my family but I just had

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these you know questions about what all

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that was so and um kind of started out

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really in the Paranormal world really

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interested in you know that phenomenon

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and then I learned about mufon in 2012

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and came right in mufon as a field

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investigator and basically for selfish

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reasons to kind of investigate and look

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into what happened on that ranch and the

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interesting thing is I never knew

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anybody knew anything about the ranch we

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were told never to talk about it I never

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knew it was investigated I never knew

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anybody knew anything about it and in

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2013 I had purchased a book called hunt

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for the skinwalker by George Knapp and

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colmkellyaher and I was reading that

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book just thinking there might be some

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similarities to the Skinwalker Ranch in

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Utah to the Colorado Ranch and I got to

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a chapter called other hot spots and

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started reading basically about the

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ranch in my childhood and I just

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remember I was just dumbfounded by that

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and and it's just been a um you know

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an adventure in research ever since you

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so um Katie uh what I wanted to ask you

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so how long have you been

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um I'm sorry if I maybe missed that how

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long have you been in mufon uh or is it

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Colorado mufon state director is that

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the proper title yeah um it's going on

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three and a half years now I get you

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know the dates with covid and everything

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those covered years are like oh it's

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pretty coveted so three and a half years

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I've been the state director for for

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Colorado muffon

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um you know I must start team

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investigator and was on a a special

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assignment team called the SAT team for

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a while and uh also am the administrator

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for a big move on for what they call

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their Mars program which is basically

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all the old unredacted

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um reports that came in from 1969 until

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they were digitized later into the CMS

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system the case management system and we

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had a team of 15 people who redact all

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those private sensitive information out

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of those reports and um you know there's

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over ten thousand of those reports and

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some of them are you know 300 plus pages

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long and so it took you know three years

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to just go through those and it kind of

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was put on the back burner there for a

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while and and now I'm excited to say

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that it's getting picked up again um Bob

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sparing and Debbie zuckermeyer and a few

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others are working to get that

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re-established so we can make those

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available to the public to look at these

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old muffon files so that's that's a

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pretty cool thing I I I'm one that

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believes that all this information

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should be shared with everybody

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you know um you mentioned Debbie

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ziegelmeier she's a good friend of mine

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I know her when I was still in St Louis

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I don't know if she's still the Missouri

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um but uh usually every month she would

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have a meeting and kind of give updates

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and then usually presentations so you

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guys do something similar in Colorado as

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yeah we do and the second Saturday of

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every month we bring in a guest speaker

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and we have an event

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um and you know we we usually have you

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know 65 to 100 people in attendance just

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depending this this Saturday I didn't

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even realize it was Easter Sunday so

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yeah I'm like oh uh it falls on Easter

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Sundays seems like it's a little early

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um and then we also do field

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Investigator training and you know we

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try to do events here and bring people

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together so yeah it's a good it's a good

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group of people here in Colorado so if

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you're out in our area actually you can

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find information about the Colorado

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mufon meetings if you just go to

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co-mufon.org

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another much detail you would like to

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share could you please go a little bit

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into the subject we have scheduled for

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tonight

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yeah absolutely and like I had mentioned

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you know the first time I I saw that

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anybody knew anything about the ranch or

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that it was investigated was in that

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book hunt for the skinwalker and in that

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book I learned that there were three

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phds out on that property investigating

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one of which was um dear Dr Leo sprinkle

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PhD at a Laramie Wyoming who was really

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well known for past life regression and

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hypnosis

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um he was a Pioneer in the field for

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over 40 years and unfortunately he

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passed away a year and a half ago now

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but Lee and I got to know each other

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very well because I traveled back and

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forth um writing the book that I did it

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actually came to me in a dream I went

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down to the Heritage Center so all of Dr

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Leo sprinkles information is housed out

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at what they call the Heritage Center in

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Laramie Wyoming it looks like a big

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teepee building and it's accessible to

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anybody can access all those boxes of

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his research and it's just amazing to go

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through but one night in a lucid dream

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it came to me the title of the book you

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know letters of love and light because

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Dr sprinkle would sign all his

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correspondence love and light Leo and

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what was really cool was Dr sprinkle

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kept all his response correspondence to

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these people that wrote to him from all

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around the world and I just got lost in

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those letters

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um and I thought to myself I find these

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letters interesting I think other people

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would as well so I spent three and a

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half years going back and forth from

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Colorado to Laramie taking pictures of

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all these letters and then I'd pull out

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the the juicy parts of the letter and I

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organized them into different chapters

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some like craft description

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ET descriptions implants a lot of people

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wrote about

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um you know was this a dream or was this

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a memory because a lot of people who

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have contact experience actually do have

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these lucid dreams

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um so you know so many I there there's

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even a chapter of letters from children

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which was really neat and children would

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draw in some of their experiences and so

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um that was just really a labor of love

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um really honoring Dr sprinkle because

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he was an amazing man and this is the

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book right here letters of love and

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light you can find it on Amazon I'm

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currently working on that second book

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all about the ranch and trying to you

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know put all the the decades worth of

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research into that book there so

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hopefully that'll be out by the end of

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the year

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um but um I also learned in that book

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that there were two other phds on the

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property there was Peter Van Arsdale PhD

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and John der PhD and um one of one of

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those gentlemen have passed away I since

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found John Durr and have corresponded

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with him but I was just amazed to find

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that find out that anybody knew anything

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about that place at all so that was

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pretty eye-opening to me and and thus

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started the Journey of getting the

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original documents and really going down

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this rabbit hole and what I mean by that

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is there was just so many different

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phenomenon in that area in the late 70s

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I mean it's still occurring to this day

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um but not to the level it was from 75

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to 78 and this is where um Linda Moulton

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Howe got her start Linda Moulton Howe

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was an investigative journalist out

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there in Colorado at the time and out in

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Albert County there was this rash of

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cattle mutilations that were happening

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Elbert County was hit the hardest but

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this was a phenomenon that was occurring

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you know from Montana to Wyoming all the

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all the way down the Midwest Colorado

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into Texas Oklahoma a little bit in Utah

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some in Arizona and whatnot but for

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whatever reason Albert County was hit

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the hardest and she actually did a movie

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called strange Harvest

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and interviews the under sheriff and the

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sheriff of Albert County in that film so

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that was one of the phenomena that was

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really prevalent out there out in Albert

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County at the time so much so you know

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there were um I found out through

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newspaper articles and my research that

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you know the Cattlemen's Association had

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a ten thousand dollar reward to find

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these people and at the time too uh you

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know they were suspecting maybe

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um Colts were responsible

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um

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for these mutilations which I think we

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can safely rule that out I know

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Christopher O'Brien and Chuck Zukowski

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really delved deep into these

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mutilations and they're kind of the

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experts on that phenomenon I never

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really I looked into that a little bit

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but that wasn't where my interest really

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lied so

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um just so many things happened out

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there

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and so um I know when I talked to Debbie

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she and her brother uh chuckovsky they

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were also investigating different

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different areas um

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so to what extent I mean that is there

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still any kind of um

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um

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like I don't know if it's just a just

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for the ranch wise but are there still

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mutilations going on that still merits a

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lot of attention or is it just kind of

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can be already written off as part of

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history and just kind of looking back at

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recorded documents at this point

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right yeah that was the question I had

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and

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so um what happened was um as I was

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learning about you know the under

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sheriff and making connections I went

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out and I flew to Florida to interview

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um the undersheriff bill was

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um wife and um his son and

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um she pulled out a big binder of

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newspaper articles that she had saved

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all these years and from those articles

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I started compiling a list of names

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um of people that I can contact and

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through that I drove out to Wyoming to

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conduct another great interview with

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somebody who basically uh if you go to

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the Elbert County Museum her family

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basically pioneered and homesteaded that

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area from way back so her family goes

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back generations and

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um and when you're that steeped into a

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small community like that you know a lot

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of the the ranchers and that and to my

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surprise she was took out her cell phone

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and was like well here's a recent

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mutilation and here's a recent

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mutilation and

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um so so yes they're still actively

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going on again not to the height it was

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back in the late 70s because at that

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time they were almost occurring daily

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and not just of of cow but of sheep and

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horse and dog and of course they're

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snippy you know out in Colorado

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um more further south

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um up there near Alamosa

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um and Dr Leo sprinkle was involved with

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snippy the horse as well

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um but so it is still occurring to this

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day just not

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as many in in numbers

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um and that was really interesting to

403
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find out I think a lot of these ranchers

404
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don't report them anymore because a

405
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that's been going on for decades now and

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they know nothing's going to happen I I

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believe they write them off on their

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taxes as a loss um and they don't want

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the publicity of the stigma attached

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with it in fact the the photos that she

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had sent me of these mutilations the

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Rancher did not did not want the

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publicity around it and didn't really

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didn't want it out there so

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um but speaking of that witness that I

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went out there her name Sheila I won't

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say her last name

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um

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she had an unbelievable story that

420
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occurred to her and her husband so she

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was married right out of high school so

422
00:17:07,789 --> 00:17:05,160
this would have been around 1978 and um

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they lived they bought several hundred

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acres out there in Rhema Colorado which

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is just really close to

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um Kiowa Albert County where I had my

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experiences and her husband was um on

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Horseback checking the cows for calves

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and he came across a dead calf on the

430
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ground and this calf had a cut a square

431
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it was four in cuts and then the top of

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the fur was removed off of it but the

433
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skin was still there and he thought it

434
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was very unusual so he gets on the horse

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and he goes back to the ranch house to

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get my witness and they drive back in

437
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the pickup truck and she said that took

438
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about 20-25 minutes to get back to where

439
00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:51,120
the calf was and when they arrived back

440
00:17:56,690 --> 00:17:53,340
that calf had been completely mutilated

441
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blood drain and cauterized organs

442
00:18:01,610 --> 00:17:59,220
removed and the interesting thing was

443
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you know it was Miles off the county

444
00:18:06,049 --> 00:18:03,480
road there were no truck marks no

445
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helicopter sounds they felt like it was

446
00:18:10,669 --> 00:18:07,620
really eerie like they were being

447
00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:10,679
watched it really terrified them and it

448
00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:12,900
changed them for you know forever really

449
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:15,780
and um yeah there's just no explanation

450
00:18:19,850 --> 00:18:18,000
for that and what was really neat was

451
00:18:21,770 --> 00:18:19,860
you know we're friends on Facebook and

452
00:18:23,090 --> 00:18:21,780
she messaged me and said hey Katie

453
00:18:25,490 --> 00:18:23,100
you're not going to believe this I found

454
00:18:27,049 --> 00:18:25,500
the pictures of that calf so that's

455
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something I'll share at the Ozark

456
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conference actually is are those

457
00:18:34,909 --> 00:18:32,520
photographs of that calf um you know and

458
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um so that that story always fascinated

459
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me because you know they're quite

460
00:18:42,590 --> 00:18:39,120
certain it wasn't our military that that

461
00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:42,600
did that mutilation on that calf

462
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I'm sorry you said you are quite certain

463
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no you are not quite certain no I am

464
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quite certain that particular mutilation

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was not the military that's another

466
00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:52,740
thing um that I've been you know one of

467
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the my main questions actually as I

468
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started investigating this Ranch

469
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,340
property and finding out you know

470
00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:02,000
unequivocally that we had military

471
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people on the ranch and I'm like why is

472
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the military there why are they on that

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property

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um there there was a note in Dr Leo

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sprinkles

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um

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said Warren blank his last name was

478
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redacted out was on the ranch property

479
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he felt something take over his mind

480
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made him walk towards the woods so the

481
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way this ranch is out there in Albert

482
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County you have

483
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um is kind of healed and you can see

484
00:19:37,310 --> 00:19:35,220
Pike speak out in the distance and then

485
00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:37,320
you have these patches of big Ponderosa

486
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:39,900
Pines but you also have you know the the

487
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Flatlands the ranch lands and the house

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sat in an open area in the back of the

489
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ranch house is all wooded and um he said

490
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he felt something take over his mind

491
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made him walk towards the woods would

492
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release him he would run back to the

493
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ranch house and that this did this to

494
00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:03,059
him five times which made me think of

495
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:05,940
black access projects and you know mind

496
00:20:11,450 --> 00:20:09,360
control MK Ultra kind of activity and

497
00:20:14,150 --> 00:20:11,460
you know that wasn't the only military

498
00:20:16,190 --> 00:20:14,160
presence there on the ranch we had these

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unmarked helicopters that were cited

500
00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:18,660
frequently in fact there were newspaper

501
00:20:22,669 --> 00:20:20,940
articles written about this and not only

502
00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,679
were they spotted frequently and coming

503
00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:24,600
on and off out of these valleys and

504
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stuff so a lot of people speculated that

505
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perhaps military were lifting these

506
00:20:34,490 --> 00:20:32,460
cattle up doing something and then

507
00:20:37,730 --> 00:20:34,500
dropping them back down to maybe testing

508
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:37,740
the groundwater you know looking for mad

509
00:20:42,169 --> 00:20:39,780
cow disease I don't know again that's

510
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not my specialty however

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um

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you know the research that I've done

513
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shows that perhaps maybe both things

514
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were going on at the same time but these

515
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these unmarked helicopters they also

516
00:20:57,650 --> 00:20:55,380
were chasing people and menacing people

517
00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:57,660
and like kids there was an article

518
00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:00,120
written about these two young you know

519
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:02,340
12 13 year old girls that were being

520
00:21:06,650 --> 00:21:04,440
chased by these mysterious helicopters

521
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,660
and I'm like why in the world would this

522
00:21:10,730 --> 00:21:08,640
be happening and actually in a

523
00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:10,740
conference I ran into Richard Doty

524
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:13,080
number one I wanted to ask Richard Doty

525
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if he knew about the ranch property at

526
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:17,280
all if he was aware of it um given his

527
00:21:22,490 --> 00:21:20,640
history and he said that he was and then

528
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number two which is interesting number

529
00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,780
two I asked him about why would these

530
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:26,640
unmarked helicopters be you know

531
00:21:34,130 --> 00:21:29,820
menacing young kids out there in the

532
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:34,140
fields and he said as a distraction

533
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:35,940
um so I thought that was very very

534
00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:38,400
interesting a distraction from what is

535
00:21:42,049 --> 00:21:39,960
my question you know what were they

536
00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:42,059
doing out there and and I still have

537
00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:48,169
so um Katie besides the mutilations and

538
00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:50,700
the Mystery surrounding that

539
00:21:55,789 --> 00:21:53,340
um what other occurrences or instances

540
00:21:57,409 --> 00:21:55,799
of high strangeness were

541
00:22:00,770 --> 00:21:57,419
can you talk about

542
00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:00,780
yeah I mean when you know so I didn't

543
00:22:06,289 --> 00:22:03,659
live on the ranch I visited a few times

544
00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:06,299
a handful of times my older sister and I

545
00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:08,520
and how that worked is my mother worked

546
00:22:13,010 --> 00:22:10,140
for United Airlines she was a computer

547
00:22:14,810 --> 00:22:13,020
operator for them and she was dating the

548
00:22:17,090 --> 00:22:14,820
gentleman that owned the ranch and he

549
00:22:19,789 --> 00:22:17,100
had three sons and

550
00:22:20,930 --> 00:22:19,799
um his wife who they were separated at

551
00:22:23,529 --> 00:22:20,940
the time and she had another love

552
00:22:25,490 --> 00:22:23,539
interest so the two youngest of the sons

553
00:22:28,130 --> 00:22:25,500
lived with us

554
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:28,140
which we lived about 45 minutes away

555
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,280
from the ranch

556
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:31,740
and they lived with us during the week

557
00:22:34,669 --> 00:22:33,240
so they can attend a large school

558
00:22:36,130 --> 00:22:34,679
district which was the Cherry Creek

559
00:22:39,710 --> 00:22:36,140
School District out there in Colorado

560
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,720
because the the little school in uh Cayo

561
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:41,460
you know had a graduating class of like

562
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:42,960
four or six or something like that so

563
00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:44,520
they wanted the opportunities for their

564
00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,620
son to go to a large school district and

565
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:48,240
so we would commute the boys back and

566
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,280
forth you know on the weekends and and

567
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:53,039
things like that we celebrated holidays

568
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:54,840
together and birthdays and and did some

569
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,179
family trips and and and that so that's

570
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,640
my connection to the ranch there but one

571
00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:01,440
of the first things that was reported

572
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:04,020
when they purchased that that ranch was

573
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:06,900
this humming sound and um it would get

574
00:23:11,570 --> 00:23:09,600
so loud sometimes that you couldn't hear

575
00:23:13,610 --> 00:23:11,580
yourselves talk over it and there were

576
00:23:16,430 --> 00:23:13,620
these bangs coming from underground and

577
00:23:18,350 --> 00:23:16,440
they were trying to figure out like what

578
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:18,360
where are these sounds coming from what

579
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,980
are they you know it's not like there

580
00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:21,600
was anything under there that would

581
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,820
explain that there was a cistern out

582
00:23:26,690 --> 00:23:25,440
there but the the sounds didn't come

583
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:26,700
from there

584
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:28,200
um so that was one of the first things

585
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:31,140
that was reported out there

586
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,179
um one thing that my sister and I both

587
00:23:38,029 --> 00:23:35,820
experienced um it was it was about this

588
00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,039
time of year actually it's April out

589
00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:40,440
here in Colorado and just today we were

590
00:23:44,930 --> 00:23:42,600
getting snow up here in the mountains

591
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:44,940
and a lot of times Colorado will get

592
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,280
these spring snowstorms and the snow is

593
00:23:51,169 --> 00:23:49,440
really wet and heavy and so but the sun

594
00:23:53,210 --> 00:23:51,179
will be out and it's nice and blue you

595
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:53,220
know kind of thing so my sister and I

596
00:23:57,289 --> 00:23:55,200
were out there tossing the Frisbee in

597
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,299
front of the ranch house and we looked

598
00:24:01,610 --> 00:23:59,760
down at the ground and we had noticed

599
00:24:04,669 --> 00:24:01,620
that

600
00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:04,679
um the dirt was just dry but on the

601
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,380
outside of the circle it was snow like

602
00:24:11,630 --> 00:24:09,840
heavy snow and nothing grew in there

603
00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:11,640
there was no plants or Shrubbery or

604
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:14,280
anything it was just very unusual and

605
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,200
that really stuck in our minds all these

606
00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:18,480
years later was that strange and what

607
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:20,580
was really neat um actually John

608
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,860
schussler who was one of the the

609
00:24:27,649 --> 00:24:25,679
founding fathers of mufon learned of my

610
00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,659
connection to the ranch and he he gave

611
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:29,760
me the original briefing document on it

612
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,520
and in there they talk about

613
00:24:36,409 --> 00:24:34,799
um you know that circle on the ground in

614
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:36,419
fact they had two of them that they were

615
00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:37,860
investigating two of these large

616
00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:40,919
snowless circles where nothing grew and

617
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,840
in one of the reports is stated that

618
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:44,640
when the the investigators were out

619
00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:47,580
there they measured the um the

620
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:49,980
circumference of the circle and 35 feet

621
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,799
in diameter and then on the outside of

622
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:54,240
the circle and the snow were drops of

623
00:24:57,830 --> 00:24:55,440
blood

624
00:25:00,409 --> 00:24:57,840
um and I was like whoa so that's another

625
00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:00,419
thing that occurred out there there was

626
00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:02,280
also these strange mysterious

627
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,679
disappearing boxes which I didn't talk

628
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:06,720
about for a long time because to me it

629
00:25:10,730 --> 00:25:08,880
just sounded like kind of like what like

630
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:10,740
that's kind of crazy

631
00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:12,900
um and it really wasn't until other

632
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:14,840
people started talking about similar

633
00:25:20,450 --> 00:25:18,480
boxes Skinwalker Ranch and another one

634
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:20,460
of the guest speakers out there at the

635
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:22,020
Ozarks is going to be a good friend of

636
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,419
mine Trey Hudson and I've had the honor

637
00:25:28,610 --> 00:25:26,640
and privilege to go to his undisclosed

638
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,620
location and research with his team a

639
00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:30,480
couple times and they witnessed

640
00:25:33,470 --> 00:25:31,799
something very similar you know

641
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:33,480
different but similar in a way because

642
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:35,520
they caught their own on theirs on floor

643
00:25:40,970 --> 00:25:38,340
camera these boxes cited out in Albert

644
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:40,980
County however the the undersheriff bill

645
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,460
wall witnessed several other people at

646
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:46,080
the ranch house witness so it wasn't

647
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:48,360
just one person that inter saw these

648
00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,299
boxes I personally witnessed the box as

649
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,120
well and that was during the daytime me

650
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,159
and the youngest son and the father were

651
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:58,320
in the pickup truck with the dogs and

652
00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,480
there was this little outbuilding by the

653
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:02,700
the Ponderosa Pines back behind the

654
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,360
house

655
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:06,000
and I don't know what he was getting out

656
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:08,100
of that but then he took us around there

657
00:26:12,049 --> 00:26:09,600
was like you know where you could take

658
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,059
the truck around through the woods and

659
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:14,640
he had stopped the truck we got out and

660
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:17,700
all of a sudden in the tree line

661
00:26:22,370 --> 00:26:20,159
about four or five feet up high were

662
00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:22,380
these flashing lights and all of a

663
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:24,120
sudden we're get in the truck get in the

664
00:26:26,750 --> 00:26:25,260
truck they're yelling us get in the

665
00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:26,760
truck in the truck it's the box it's the

666
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:29,580
box it's a box it's making this B kind

667
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:31,740
of um you know like um if you're

668
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:33,960
standing under power lines that kind of

669
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,779
that this is the kind of sound it was

670
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:38,880
making that sound

671
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:40,679
um and so we're getting in the back of

672
00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:43,440
the truck and we look back at the tree

673
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,900
line and that box was gone and that's

674
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:47,820
the same thing the undersheriff saw and

675
00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:55,430
rolling he saw lights in this tree line

676
00:27:00,230 --> 00:26:57,960
he knew there were no houses or roads or

677
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:00,240
lights were no light should be and he

678
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,000
didn't want to approach it himself so he

679
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:04,799
went back to get a posse Sheriff to go

680
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:07,320
with him when they went back he saw they

681
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,659
witnessed not only the Box disappear but

682
00:27:14,029 --> 00:27:11,279
the tree it's almost as if they went

683
00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:14,039
into the ground and so he talks about

684
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:16,500
that and and reported that

685
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,080
um so yeah um I just ask you a quick

686
00:27:24,409 --> 00:27:22,080
question for clarification yeah

687
00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:24,419
um can I'm sorry so the

688
00:27:30,110 --> 00:27:26,640
can you describe maybe I got confused

689
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:30,120
there so was this like a box somewhere

690
00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:32,760
in the air or what what can you describe

691
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:35,880
exactly in my memory it was hovering

692
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,580
above the ground so it was the box

693
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:40,799
that's how I remember it in my mind and

694
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:43,020
in my mind it's bigger you know like a

695
00:27:49,130 --> 00:27:45,419
shoe box it was bigger than a shoe box

696
00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:49,140
right so maybe like 18 inches this way I

697
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:50,039
don't know

698
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:54,240
12 inches this way and 9 12 inches this

699
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:56,100
way and it had lights on it and it was

700
00:28:00,049 --> 00:27:58,140
dark to my memory

701
00:28:02,210 --> 00:28:00,059
um and then I mean I only saw it for a

702
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:02,220
very short time and it was like you know

703
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,140
pandemonium and chaos to get in the

704
00:28:09,049 --> 00:28:07,440
truck and I I obviously could tell at my

705
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:09,059
young age I'm a pretty young girl at

706
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:10,799
that time between 9 and 12 years old

707
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:13,140
that whatever that was

708
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:17,100
my the adult in the situation was very

709
00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:19,260
afraid of it and come to find out and

710
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:21,059
the briefing documents and other reports

711
00:28:26,090 --> 00:28:23,460
that the adults in that family had

712
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,100
witnessed that same box right behind the

713
00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:28,799
ranch house and the oldest gentleman

714
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:33,240
claims to have had basic Communications

715
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,120
with these ET beings that were spotted

716
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,159
on the ranch property

717
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:40,860
um again I never witnessed ET beans I

718
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:42,120
don't know about that but it was

719
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,919
reported that there are two types

720
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:45,900
spotted out there

721
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:49,740
um one was very unusual looking like a

722
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,039
AI type of being the other ones were

723
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:55,320
more human looking type like maybe

724
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,140
Nordic type being and what was

725
00:29:01,850 --> 00:28:59,760
fascinating about that because there

726
00:29:03,730 --> 00:29:01,860
were drawings of these beings

727
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:03,740
um in the archives

728
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,320
and like I said they were very unusual

729
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:09,840
um I actually have well one of the

730
00:29:16,190 --> 00:29:13,559
pictures here so they have these I

731
00:29:19,549 --> 00:29:16,200
wonder if I have the big one they have

732
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:19,559
um these tubes that come out and like

733
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:21,360
wrinkles wrinkles on the forehead

734
00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:24,059
wrinkles around the mouth these

735
00:29:29,090 --> 00:29:26,039
um not big wrap around eyes but almond

736
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:29,100
type eyes and I didn't share it anywhere

737
00:29:32,029 --> 00:29:30,779
I thought you know what I've never seen

738
00:29:33,649 --> 00:29:32,039
anything quite like this I'm going to

739
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:33,659
put it in my back pocket and see if I

740
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:36,120
can find anything anywhere in you know

741
00:29:41,930 --> 00:29:38,460
and all the research that I could do and

742
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:41,940
so as fate would have it because these

743
00:29:44,930 --> 00:29:43,500
coincidence seem to happen to a lot of

744
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,940
us all the time and this is one of those

745
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,580
times I'm we had a guest speaker that we

746
00:29:51,409 --> 00:29:50,039
had invited to come speak about a

747
00:29:53,570 --> 00:29:51,419
property that he had written a book

748
00:29:55,789 --> 00:29:53,580
about and his name was Sean Bartok and

749
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,799
he wrote a book called flashbacks and it

750
00:30:02,029 --> 00:29:58,080
was about his property in Castle Rock

751
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,039
Colorado I come to find out later that

752
00:30:06,649 --> 00:30:04,799
in fact his property

753
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,659
is not in Castle Rock was actually

754
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:08,580
closer to our Ranch in fact it was only

755
00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:10,679
14 miles away from the ranch in my

756
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,600
childhood and I'm sitting there in the

757
00:30:18,529 --> 00:30:14,520
third row just watching his presentation

758
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:18,539
and up Pops a drawing of these beings

759
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:21,240
that him and his family have had contact

760
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,799
with and my job was like what and this

761
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:27,600
is the so

762
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:29,820
um these are them

763
00:30:33,049 --> 00:30:30,480
um

764
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:33,059
and this one here Sean bartocks and this

765
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:35,039
is the one on our Ranch we never knew

766
00:30:40,850 --> 00:30:38,100
each other and he said these are tubes

767
00:30:43,370 --> 00:30:40,860
and so these tubes he said come out so

768
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,380
these are this was

769
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,360
his with the tubes out and this is the

770
00:30:51,470 --> 00:30:48,000
guy from the ranch and

771
00:30:54,169 --> 00:30:51,480
um I did a overlay of their faces and

772
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:54,179
they're so similar

773
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,880
um with the wrinkles and the eye shape

774
00:31:01,490 --> 00:30:59,460
and all of it that I I I was just

775
00:31:03,769 --> 00:31:01,500
dumbfounded by that so

776
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,779
um and a lot of the experiences that um

777
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,240
Sean Bartok had and and written about in

778
00:31:10,970 --> 00:31:08,399
his book were almost identical to what

779
00:31:13,850 --> 00:31:10,980
was happening out there in Albert County

780
00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:13,860
and what's fascinating about that is out

781
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:16,679
there from where his place was to where

782
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:18,960
that ranch is and even continues on down

783
00:31:22,970 --> 00:31:20,520
because there's activity going on not

784
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:22,980
just at the ranch this is a phenomenon

785
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:26,340
that was happening in in Kiowa in in

786
00:31:30,529 --> 00:31:28,020
Elizabeth and really all through the

787
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,539
county through that whole valley there

788
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,360
um and so it's it's sort of driven me to

789
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:35,039
find out like what is it about that area

790
00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:38,640
that's attracting this phenomena

791
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:40,860
so Katie I wanted to ask specifically

792
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:43,679
about the move on investigators and then

793
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:46,380
just just maybe uh I already know the

794
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,120
answer but just for somebody who just

795
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:50,760
now maybe really finding out about mufon

796
00:31:56,269 --> 00:31:52,860
or wanting to know more specifics so

797
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:56,279
being part of mufant you know I don't

798
00:31:59,690 --> 00:31:57,779
want to put words in your mouth but in

799
00:32:03,169 --> 00:31:59,700
my opinion it comes with a certain bias

800
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,179
that you have you know you are

801
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:05,279
you're willing to open your mind to

802
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:06,899
something more than just a conventional

803
00:32:12,350 --> 00:32:09,600
you know and I know that even though

804
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:12,360
most of them are you know very much into

805
00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:14,520
UFOs and trying to figure that out they

806
00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:16,460
still take the scientific approach to

807
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,740
investigate a a spot or whatever that

808
00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:20,880
may be

809
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:22,500
um can you please talk a little bit

810
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:24,899
about that process of of investigating

811
00:32:29,510 --> 00:32:27,720
and so that if somebody's you know

812
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:29,520
either watching something from mufan or

813
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,860
reading something so that they know it's

814
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:33,720
not just coming from just orange

815
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:35,940
believer but that there's more research

816
00:32:40,430 --> 00:32:38,820
done about a certain investigation yeah

817
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,440
absolutely and that's the one thing I

818
00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:42,480
really do appreciate about mufon um

819
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:43,620
number one

820
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,000
um there's you know it's a volunteer

821
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,279
organization so our field investigators

822
00:32:51,769 --> 00:32:49,440
number one they're they're well trained

823
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:51,779
I mean the the the training manual is

824
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,580
like this and so and then they have

825
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,039
mufano University so you go and you you

826
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,260
actually learn you know about aircraft

827
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,480
and we do take a scientific approach and

828
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:02,880
a lot a lot of the work field

829
00:33:08,930 --> 00:33:06,000
investigators do yes there's times where

830
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,940
we go out on location and and do soil

831
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:11,039
tests and and interviews with the

832
00:33:14,330 --> 00:33:12,659
witness but the majority of things that

833
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:14,340
move on get are lights in the sky and

834
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,840
that so you know a lot of our

835
00:33:21,350 --> 00:33:17,940
investigators spend time on their

836
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:21,360
laptops looking at Flightradar24 looking

837
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:23,640
at heavens above looking at stellarium

838
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:26,279
learning about photophorensics you know

839
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:29,340
uh unfortunately those hoaxes get get

840
00:33:33,889 --> 00:33:32,159
put into the system so you know we it

841
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:33,899
does take training and I like that side

842
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:35,100
of mufon

843
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:36,720
um plus there's just really good people

844
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:38,820
within mufon

845
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:40,380
um Colorado group's really close I'm

846
00:33:43,970 --> 00:33:42,120
really close with Stacy Wright's group

847
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:43,980
out there in Phoenix or I mean they

848
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,080
become family to us and a lot of

849
00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:47,760
training we have the boot camp Stacy

850
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:49,080
offers the boot camp out there in

851
00:33:53,570 --> 00:33:50,640
Phoenix and it's it's a great time it's

852
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:53,580
a whole weekend event and um I do really

853
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:55,500
appreciate that so

854
00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:57,659
um yeah there's a lot to it

855
00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:59,700
um and they do really stick to the nuts

856
00:34:03,769 --> 00:34:02,220
and bolts um UFO science they really

857
00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:03,779
don't like to delve into the high

858
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,880
strangeness area so it gets a little

859
00:34:09,889 --> 00:34:08,159
tricky for me sometimes because you know

860
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:09,899
where my interest and my passion and my

861
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:12,720
experiences like I I connect all these

862
00:34:17,089 --> 00:34:14,520
dots um you know out there on the ranch

863
00:34:19,790 --> 00:34:17,099
too we had crypto creatures and

864
00:34:22,129 --> 00:34:19,800
Sasquatch sightings as well and this was

865
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,139
in Dr Leo sprinkle's folder of the

866
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:24,000
Sasquatch being that was seen out there

867
00:34:28,129 --> 00:34:25,619
and

868
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,139
um it's interesting um Bob Salas

869
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,760
contacted me

870
00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,879
um and said during that same time there

871
00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:34,919
were these same type of creatures seen

872
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:37,740
out there in Montana

873
00:34:41,810 --> 00:34:40,379
and so he actually sent the drawings

874
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,820
from that and they're almost a spot on

875
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:44,040
Match as well so um you know these are

876
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:46,260
things mufon doesn't get into the the

877
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:49,020
sasquatch hunting or the crypto animals

878
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:51,419
or or those kind of things but I think

879
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:54,060
you know there's definitely you have to

880
00:34:57,829 --> 00:34:56,099
look at everything through a scientific

881
00:35:00,710 --> 00:34:57,839
lens as well

882
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:00,720
um and you know chain of custody and and

883
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:03,119
going to to David marler's research Out

884
00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:04,859
Center out there outside of Albuquerque

885
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:07,260
that's all very important um to get that

886
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:10,440
data as well so I value all sides of it

887
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:11,040
um

888
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:12,780
for sure

889
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:15,720
okay you mentioned um Cryptids can you

890
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:17,160
please speak a little bit about that

891
00:35:22,490 --> 00:35:20,160
like Bigfoot or some other creatures

892
00:35:24,589 --> 00:35:22,500
yeah I'm you know out there that's that

893
00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:24,599
was reported out there that um you

894
00:35:27,829 --> 00:35:26,040
always felt a sense of being watched

895
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:27,839
which um you know that's the other

896
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:30,420
interesting phenomenon here that that

897
00:35:34,990 --> 00:35:31,800
second book that just came out

898
00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:35,000
skinwalkers at the Pentagon I had always

899
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:37,560
compartmentalized a lot of these um

900
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:38,880
different activity like I mentioned at

901
00:35:43,069 --> 00:35:41,460
the top of the show a lot of paranormal

902
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:43,079
things were always around not only me

903
00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:44,940
but my family the houses we lived in and

904
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,640
so forth and so on and I never really

905
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:49,920
connected it to the phenomena on the

906
00:35:54,770 --> 00:35:51,420
ranch

907
00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:54,780
um I had encounters with these big tall

908
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:57,180
Shadow beans in my room at my house not

909
00:36:01,490 --> 00:35:58,560
on the ranch

910
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:01,500
um blue balls of orb lights Paranormal

911
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:03,300
Activity although all those kind of

912
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,619
things and

913
00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:06,240
um it wasn't until that book and other

914
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:07,800
people started coming out and talking

915
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:09,900
about it that hey once you go visit

916
00:36:15,170 --> 00:36:12,240
these high strangest locations a lot of

917
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:15,180
times these phenomena follow you home or

918
00:36:20,810 --> 00:36:16,980
if you have encounters or close contact

919
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:20,820
with um craft or ETS that that happens

920
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:23,460
so I do believe that's all interwoven

921
00:36:29,930 --> 00:36:27,780
together and um so you know

922
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:29,940
well uh please do share some of your

923
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:31,740
experiences if you don't mind

924
00:36:35,630 --> 00:36:33,660
yeah like I said

925
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:35,640
um you know one of the nights the

926
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:37,619
scariest night actually on the ranch for

927
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:39,180
my sister and I

928
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:41,099
um it was the boys's mother's birthday

929
00:36:44,450 --> 00:36:42,839
and so we were out there celebrating

930
00:36:46,010 --> 00:36:44,460
that

931
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,020
um the adults are playing board games in

932
00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:48,720
the the front part of the ranch house it

933
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:51,720
was really late at night perhaps you

934
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,820
know midnight even after midnight and

935
00:36:57,589 --> 00:36:55,920
the three boys my sister and I was the

936
00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:57,599
youngest of all the kids were hanging

937
00:37:01,550 --> 00:37:00,300
out in in the boys's room and all of a

938
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:01,560
sudden that strange humming noise

939
00:37:06,050 --> 00:37:04,260
started up and of course that was always

940
00:37:07,970 --> 00:37:06,060
like when that when you heard that

941
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:07,980
humming sound something else was gonna

942
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,960
happen and

943
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:12,480
um at that time all the power in the

944
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:15,540
house went out and so of course we're

945
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,880
all panicking candles flashlights oh my

946
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,440
gosh the humming noise going on what's

947
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:21,839
going on at that time the brightest

948
00:37:25,069 --> 00:37:23,339
light I had ever seen in my life like

949
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,079
brighter than the sun came in through

950
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:26,880
that window

951
00:37:33,609 --> 00:37:30,180
um and it was at that time that this it

952
00:37:36,650 --> 00:37:33,619
sounded like a mechanical

953
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:36,660
mechanical sounding voice from every

954
00:37:40,609 --> 00:37:38,280
orifice of the house that you couldn't

955
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:40,619
tell where the voice was coming from but

956
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:43,320
it was loud and it was a warning it was

957
00:37:47,630 --> 00:37:45,540
like a threat it was you know we have

958
00:37:49,010 --> 00:37:47,640
allowed you to remain your friends will

959
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:49,020
be instructed to remain silent

960
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:50,700
concerning us

961
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:52,740
um and and and that's from that point on

962
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,900
it was like my sister and I were told

963
00:38:00,050 --> 00:37:57,119
not to talk about anything that happened

964
00:38:01,010 --> 00:38:00,060
out there on the ranch and we didn't for

965
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:01,020
years

966
00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:03,180
um my sister and I created

967
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,500
um our own kind of like little secret

968
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:06,240
language so we can talk to each other

969
00:38:09,710 --> 00:38:08,160
about these strange things because the

970
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:09,720
boys would come home from the weekends

971
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:11,280
and talk about all these you know cattle

972
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,839
mutilations were on the ranch and all

973
00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:14,820
these things that were happening but we

974
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:17,579
couldn't talk about it so we we did that

975
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:21,000
but when we came home from that night to

976
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:25,140
our house I walked into the door and I

977
00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:27,720
remember falling to the ground and I was

978
00:38:31,730 --> 00:38:30,180
like paralyzed and I couldn't speak

979
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:31,740
because my mom and my sister were like

980
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:33,000
what did you eat what's wrong with you

981
00:38:36,890 --> 00:38:34,980
what did you eat and I was trying to say

982
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:36,900
peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and I

983
00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:38,700
couldn't even speak and I was probably

984
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:40,500
in that state for I don't know three to

985
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,300
five minutes or something and then

986
00:38:45,710 --> 00:38:44,160
finally they got me upstairs to my

987
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:45,720
bedroom and I suffered my first

988
00:38:50,810 --> 00:38:47,400
full-blown migraine headache at that

989
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,820
time that night and um it was awful you

990
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:52,320
know the whole whole thing and I

991
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:54,180
suffered those for several years after

992
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,740
until I finally went through a Year's

993
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,780
worth of biofeedback training which got

994
00:39:02,450 --> 00:39:00,000
those headaches under control so I don't

995
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:02,460
know if something happened at that ranch

996
00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:04,980
that affected me personally but but that

997
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:06,780
to me was the scariest night on the

998
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:08,820
ranch that disembodied electrical voice

999
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:11,940
and again I don't know you know in my

1000
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:14,640
mind you know if the military is out

1001
00:39:18,530 --> 00:39:16,619
there doing black access projects could

1002
00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:18,540
they have staged all that to frighten

1003
00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:21,300
these people off the land however that

1004
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:23,160
landsat bacon for years and years and

1005
00:39:26,329 --> 00:39:24,240
years they could have just bought the

1006
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:26,339
land so it doesn't make sense to me that

1007
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,500
that would have been the case

1008
00:39:31,790 --> 00:39:30,720
um you know another thing I learned

1009
00:39:33,770 --> 00:39:31,800
about

1010
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,780
in the briefing document through my

1011
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:36,000
research was that there were um and I

1012
00:39:41,870 --> 00:39:37,500
actually have the foia report right here

1013
00:39:44,690 --> 00:39:41,880
there were two a7d craft that supposedly

1014
00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:44,700
were in pursuit of a UFO

1015
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,440
um that crashed they were scrambled on

1016
00:39:50,990 --> 00:39:48,660
at Buckley Air Force Base and I thought

1017
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:51,000
well if two a7ds crashed there certainly

1018
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:52,859
would be information on that and I found

1019
00:39:57,470 --> 00:39:55,200
the articles about it and then foia the

1020
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:57,480
Air Force and um got the reports back

1021
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:01,440
and and good and good foia fashion a lot

1022
00:40:04,670 --> 00:40:03,300
of it's blackened out um right when it

1023
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:04,680
gets to the good juicy Parts you know

1024
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,200
you have the whole places that are just

1025
00:40:11,810 --> 00:40:09,240
completely look at that one completely

1026
00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:11,820
blacked out oh wow

1027
00:40:17,329 --> 00:40:15,060
um but what I found interesting were

1028
00:40:19,550 --> 00:40:17,339
um they go they list the causes of the

1029
00:40:22,270 --> 00:40:19,560
accident and what they claim to have

1030
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:22,280
happened was this was in the evening

1031
00:40:27,730 --> 00:40:25,380
they scrambled two Jets over residential

1032
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:27,740
areas out there near Elizabeth and Kiowa

1033
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:31,980
and it was supposedly an instructor and

1034
00:40:37,490 --> 00:40:35,099
a student and in one of the lists of the

1035
00:40:38,589 --> 00:40:37,500
causes of the crash is said that the

1036
00:40:42,290 --> 00:40:38,599
instructor

1037
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:42,300
misidentifies another craft

1038
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,660
as the students and hits the tail and

1039
00:40:50,329 --> 00:40:47,460
they both go down but it never

1040
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,339
identifies what the other craft was

1041
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:52,079
um that it doesn't say it was a Cessna

1042
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:54,480
the Tower Records don't don't identify

1043
00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:57,180
another craft and then it lists a whole

1044
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:00,060
the the main cause they give for the

1045
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:03,000
crash crash is that the student had

1046
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,160
turned off his Beacon Light instead of

1047
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:07,920
turning it on both Pilots ejected both

1048
00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:10,440
Pilots survived but it's a very

1049
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:12,599
suspicious unusual

1050
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:15,900
um encounter and report so much so that

1051
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,660
the head of foia for the Air Force calls

1052
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:20,339
me personally on my cell phone and talks

1053
00:41:24,170 --> 00:41:22,619
to me for 30 minutes and says listen if

1054
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:24,180
you want any more information about that

1055
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:27,540
area I want you to call me directly so

1056
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:29,400
um I was like whoa okay

1057
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:30,660
and I haven't

1058
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:32,280
more because it kind of frightened me a

1059
00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:34,200
little

1060
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,839
so just so many things so much was

1061
00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:38,280
happening out there and

1062
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:40,440
I I don't know you know I I've come to

1063
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:42,060
the conclusions that

1064
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:44,160
you know maybe half of it was our

1065
00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:46,200
military out there and half of it was

1066
00:41:51,650 --> 00:41:48,780
unknown unexplained phenomenon again

1067
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:51,660
chicken or the egg was one you know were

1068
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:53,520
they out there investigating the the

1069
00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,800
unusual things I don't know

1070
00:42:00,829 --> 00:41:57,780
well you know um especially when it

1071
00:42:01,609 --> 00:42:00,839
comes to that kind of a presence of the

1072
00:42:02,210 --> 00:42:01,619
different

1073
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:02,220
um

1074
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:04,020
you know government agencies whoever

1075
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,640
what they are whether it's a military or

1076
00:42:10,310 --> 00:42:08,220
whatever government in general

1077
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:10,320
um as you were talking about that uh

1078
00:42:15,170 --> 00:42:13,079
electronic uh or you said electronic

1079
00:42:17,329 --> 00:42:15,180
voice right made me think of uh

1080
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:17,339
something it was a while back and helped

1081
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,720
me out if you know where I'm going with

1082
00:42:24,349 --> 00:42:21,119
this uh I think his name is Nick beggage

1083
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:24,359
I think and he's kind of covering the

1084
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:27,240
the harp uh and basically trying to he

1085
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:29,040
there was a there was a documentary

1086
00:42:32,569 --> 00:42:30,480
where he

1087
00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:32,579
um gave an example to a person about

1088
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:36,240
what what it would look like receiving a

1089
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,660
um Wireless uh basically a wireless

1090
00:42:44,990 --> 00:42:42,960
um transmission of a voice and he had

1091
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:45,000
the CD player and all of that and he was

1092
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:47,099
just basically then transmitting it to

1093
00:42:51,650 --> 00:42:49,800
where they could hear what what was you

1094
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,660
know whatever I think it was the CD what

1095
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:53,760
was playing on that and that was

1096
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,560
happening wirelessly so he was kind of

1097
00:42:59,390 --> 00:42:57,900
doing his research in that that you know

1098
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,400
speculated the government would

1099
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:02,160
definitely have this if he has these uh

1100
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:03,540
you know very

1101
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,140
um I guess basic version of that in his

1102
00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:09,119
in his possession I don't know if he

1103
00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:10,920
developed it or if somebody gave it to

1104
00:43:15,470 --> 00:43:13,800
him but if he had that he said you know

1105
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,480
the Assumption was that this government

1106
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,280
definitely has something much much

1107
00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:20,160
better much more refined and so I

1108
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,380
wouldn't be surprised if if they're

1109
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:24,000
around there and already toying with

1110
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,619
people like with that helicopter that

1111
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:27,359
they wouldn't be applying something like

1112
00:43:32,329 --> 00:43:29,880
that to to others to either mess with

1113
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:32,339
them or just keep them away but yeah I'm

1114
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,720
gonna have to look up um he's been on

1115
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:36,119
Coast to Coast many times you know and I

1116
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:37,859
think his name was Nick baggage but I'll

1117
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:39,720
look it up I'm sorry if I'm if I'm not

1118
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:41,819
I'm not saying the right name to those

1119
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:44,339
even watching or if I'm just you know

1120
00:43:48,710 --> 00:43:46,380
not having the you know right person in

1121
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:48,720
mind but um

1122
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:52,380
do you basically this person that you

1123
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:53,880
know did you in touch with

1124
00:43:59,630 --> 00:43:56,940
um is this a a rarity or does this

1125
00:44:01,730 --> 00:43:59,640
happen often to where they kind of you

1126
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:01,740
know want to reach out and and kind of

1127
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:04,500
help out if I guess if something on

1128
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:07,020
their end is not going as easily let's

1129
00:44:10,730 --> 00:44:08,220
say the government is not this

1130
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:10,740
forthcoming and then they end up calling

1131
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,560
you or being on a cell phone a cell

1132
00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:15,480
phone basis there yeah no it doesn't

1133
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,700
happen often um I feel like it's

1134
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:19,740
happened a few times where I feel like

1135
00:44:25,430 --> 00:44:23,880
you know I I do feel I can say this I

1136
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:25,440
feel like

1137
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:27,660
whoever they are that might have some of

1138
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,540
these answers I think they know who I am

1139
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:31,920
and I think they know I've been

1140
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,440
researching this for over a decade

1141
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:36,660
um and I'm certain that you know they're

1142
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:37,980
probably going on what is she finding

1143
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:39,960
out next if they're trying to keep a

1144
00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:41,579
secret I don't know what that secret

1145
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:44,220
could be and I don't know why you know

1146
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,960
like I said before like they could have

1147
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:46,800
just

1148
00:44:53,150 --> 00:44:49,920
gotten access to this land it was vacant

1149
00:44:55,130 --> 00:44:53,160
for you know almost 12 years and there

1150
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:55,140
was rumors about this property long

1151
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,020
before this family bought the ranch in

1152
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,720
fact they were um big balls of orange

1153
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:02,700
lights flying on and off this property

1154
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:04,500
for years

1155
00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:07,200
um and according to the folklore of that

1156
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,020
property the people who owned it before

1157
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:12,720
um actually left in a hurry and left the

1158
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:14,220
keys in the ignition of the pickup truck

1159
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:16,020
there were all sorts of abandoned cars

1160
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:19,200
out there still is to this day and um

1161
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:21,180
another interesting thing learning the

1162
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:24,119
history of the property itself I uh it

1163
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,800
used to be you know the Mulligan and I

1164
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,800
learned about Dick Mulligan and he was

1165
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,440
born and raised on this property and he

1166
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:33,839
ended up in later in life

1167
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,119
um being one of the caretakers up at

1168
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:37,680
Winter Park Ski Resort here in Colorado

1169
00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:40,140
in one of the black ski lifts which is

1170
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:42,660
the difficult ski runs is named

1171
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:44,940
Mulligan's Mile and there was an article

1172
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:46,740
written about Mulligan's Mile and about

1173
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:49,619
about Dick Mulligan and how he had this

1174
00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:53,220
reputation of being this guy who just um

1175
00:45:58,609 --> 00:45:55,680
was an exaggerator and telling tall

1176
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:58,619
tales and Tall stories and I was like oh

1177
00:46:02,809 --> 00:46:01,020
man you know he he grew up on this Ranch

1178
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:02,819
property I don't think he was telling

1179
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,160
Tall Tales or tall stories so I thought

1180
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,140
that was really fascinating but yeah I

1181
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,640
don't know what the answer is there with

1182
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,260
the military and what role they played

1183
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,240
and and if they were intentionally

1184
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,680
trying to scare people with these

1185
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:16,380
humming sounds and these helicopters and

1186
00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:19,560
and perhaps this voice and and these

1187
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:22,040
boxes or whatever like

1188
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:25,740
uh you know what why what what is the

1189
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:26,940
purpose what are they trying to keep us

1190
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,920
from seeing and again why didn't they

1191
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:30,720
just acquire the land so so many

1192
00:46:33,770 --> 00:46:32,099
unanswered questions and that's really

1193
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:33,780
what keeps me going people will ask me

1194
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:36,180
like why are you still so you know

1195
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,819
interested and you just won't let this

1196
00:46:42,530 --> 00:46:40,800
alone and I well number one it affected

1197
00:46:44,930 --> 00:46:42,540
me and my family and my sister and my

1198
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,940
mother very personally

1199
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:47,040
um and um and I still don't have answers

1200
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:48,720
to so many of these questions like so

1201
00:46:57,230 --> 00:46:54,290
right well I mean it seems like we'll

1202
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:57,240
all be I mean it's such a I don't know

1203
00:47:01,910 --> 00:46:59,520
cliche to say but I think we'll be still

1204
00:47:04,250 --> 00:47:01,920
searching for years to come so yeah I

1205
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,260
hope not right foreign

1206
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:06,420
well at least when it comes to the the

1207
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:09,420
government part you know because the you

1208
00:47:13,069 --> 00:47:10,920
know through my experience and this is

1209
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:13,079
just you know obviously for a nuts and

1210
00:47:17,870 --> 00:47:15,660
bolts person that's too too quacky and

1211
00:47:19,609 --> 00:47:17,880
too crazy but you know it's easy to

1212
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:19,619
receive more answers from the aliens

1213
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,020
than it is from our own governments you

1214
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:24,240
know right I've always sort of

1215
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,300
sort of as well and in fact

1216
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:30,240
taking my mufon how off and setting it

1217
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,000
aside I do believe that these phenomena

1218
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,040
are interconnected that there's a big

1219
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:37,440
Consciousness piece to this that because

1220
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:39,420
something even as a move on a field

1221
00:47:42,890 --> 00:47:40,980
investigator something you learn pretty

1222
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,900
quickly as you're doing these cases and

1223
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:45,119
working these cases is you'll get so

1224
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,920
many where there'll be a group of people

1225
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,960
like camping or whatever and there'll be

1226
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:51,119
one person or a couple of people that

1227
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,400
are able to see or interact with the

1228
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,960
phenomenon and the rest are like what

1229
00:47:58,370 --> 00:47:56,880
are you talking about and what is that

1230
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,380
about I mean is it does that go into

1231
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,260
intention right so right I I believe

1232
00:48:04,970 --> 00:48:03,240
that a lot of these phenomena are

1233
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:04,980
definitely connected

1234
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,020
and we have to we can be biased we can't

1235
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:09,780
just look at one part of it and just

1236
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:11,880
disregard all the rest of it and that's

1237
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:14,339
where I struggle from somebody that that

1238
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,200
has these experiences on that ranch

1239
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:18,660
property I can't just look at one piece

1240
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,760
of that puzzle and ignore the rest of it

1241
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:23,040
it all comes together

1242
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:24,960
um they're all pieces of the same puzzle

1243
00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,119
in my opinion

1244
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,180
right so uh Katie I have I want to ask

1245
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:31,680
you one more question

1246
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:33,180
um and I was thinking that we could

1247
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,040
maybe go into q a if that's okay with

1248
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:36,720
you yeah that'd be great I love it okay

1249
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,900
so uh before I asked Katie this question

1250
00:48:44,089 --> 00:48:41,760
for those of you watching if you would

1251
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:44,099
like to ask her yourself you can submit

1252
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:46,500
a question on YouTube chat twitch chat

1253
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:48,900
or Facebook please make sure to include

1254
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:51,540
the three stars or three asterix's so

1255
00:48:56,089 --> 00:48:52,859
that way I know it's a question for

1256
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:56,099
Katie and also there's a telegram voice

1257
00:49:01,849 --> 00:48:58,440
chat going on right now you can join it

1258
00:49:04,849 --> 00:49:01,859
and basically ask uh the question

1259
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:04,859
um basically ask Katie directly whatever

1260
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:07,859
you like via voice so

1261
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:11,220
um the question I have for ukd was it's

1262
00:49:16,190 --> 00:49:13,020
very simple do you have anything like

1263
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:16,200
you know to finish off with you know

1264
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,780
regarding any of the the strangeness or

1265
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:19,920
anything else you would like to share

1266
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:22,319
and I'm sure the people that do submit

1267
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,540
some questions they'll probably you know

1268
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,640
ask something else about it that I did

1269
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:28,380
not know to ask

1270
00:49:33,530 --> 00:49:31,500
right um I could just end with this

1271
00:49:35,450 --> 00:49:33,540
um you know it's funny I think in life

1272
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:35,460
oftentimes

1273
00:49:39,170 --> 00:49:37,680
um we're we're meant to do things when

1274
00:49:41,329 --> 00:49:39,180
the timing is right and when we're meant

1275
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:41,339
to do them so I started writing the book

1276
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:43,020
on the ranch and my research and then

1277
00:49:48,109 --> 00:49:45,540
you know went through some life changes

1278
00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:48,119
and moved and all these things and I

1279
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:49,319
just haven't had the time to pick it

1280
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:52,140
back up but as fate would have it and I

1281
00:49:55,309 --> 00:49:53,819
had to sign a non-disclosure so I can't

1282
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:55,319
talk too much about it but I could just

1283
00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:58,140
say that a major Network and I just

1284
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:00,300
filmed just recently out there on the

1285
00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:03,839
ranch property uh for a week and now I

1286
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:04,920
know why I didn't finish the book

1287
00:50:10,430 --> 00:50:06,720
because now I have so much more to add

1288
00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:10,440
to it once this show airs and I'm able

1289
00:50:14,930 --> 00:50:12,780
to talk about these things and I've made

1290
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:14,940
so many more connections and and met

1291
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,980
other witnesses that are having activity

1292
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,260
now as we speak

1293
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,640
um that

1294
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:23,040
um this all can be now put in that book

1295
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,079
when I'm able to do it so

1296
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:27,000
um I can I just want to end by saying

1297
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:28,140
that

1298
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:28,940
um

1299
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:32,280
revisiting that ranch for the first time

1300
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:34,680
after all these years

1301
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:35,760
um

1302
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:38,220
was

1303
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:42,240
uh very emotional and

1304
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:43,079
um

1305
00:50:47,450 --> 00:50:45,240
I was surprised at some of the feelings

1306
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,460
that I felt again and can't really say

1307
00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:49,800
too much about it because I signed

1308
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:50,940
something instead I would I can't tell

1309
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:52,020
you everything that happened out there

1310
00:50:55,849 --> 00:50:53,760
but I can I can tell you that so many

1311
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,859
things happened out there and and for me

1312
00:50:59,809 --> 00:50:56,880
that answered one of the biggest

1313
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,819
questions was is it still active to this

1314
00:51:02,089 --> 00:51:01,440
day and and

1315
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:02,099
um

1316
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:03,540
you know is it connected to me

1317
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,940
personally or the ranch or both so um

1318
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:07,440
there's more to come on this and that's

1319
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:09,420
pretty exciting

1320
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:12,780
great thanks for sharing that yeah so I

1321
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,819
have uh one question so far that has

1322
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:17,520
come through from uh from the role the

1323
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:20,220
losing dice is asking with all this

1324
00:51:25,010 --> 00:51:22,200
research what conclusions have you come

1325
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:25,020
to on what these aliens are and if

1326
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,579
they're from outer space or another

1327
00:51:30,829 --> 00:51:28,079
dimension

1328
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:30,839
right um so the conclusions I've come to

1329
00:51:34,790 --> 00:51:32,339
so far

1330
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,800
um I think that

1331
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:36,900
both things were happening I think you

1332
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:38,700
know oftentimes we're always seeking

1333
00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:40,380
simple answers like it was all this

1334
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:42,059
they're all good they're all bad it was

1335
00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:44,460
all UFOs are unexplained phenomena it

1336
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,220
was all the military but I think it's

1337
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,680
more convoluting complex in that I think

1338
00:51:54,530 --> 00:51:52,800
multiple things are happening at once

1339
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:54,540
um I think

1340
00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,040
um just like

1341
00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:59,460
um the report State I think that it was

1342
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:01,140
stated in these reports that the two

1343
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:02,640
types of beans that we're seeing out

1344
00:52:06,890 --> 00:52:04,200
there were kind of In conflict with one

1345
00:52:09,230 --> 00:52:06,900
another and that we were just sort of

1346
00:52:11,329 --> 00:52:09,240
like in the way or don't mind us we

1347
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:11,339
won't mind you kind of thing

1348
00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:13,140
um so

1349
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:15,900
um I believe that there was a military

1350
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,960
presence and maybe perhaps even programs

1351
00:52:22,010 --> 00:52:20,640
being conducted out there but I also

1352
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:22,020
believe there are so many unexplained

1353
00:52:31,549 --> 00:52:30,170
sorry I hope that answers the question I

1354
00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:31,559
hope that did a question I don't know

1355
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:34,920
like as far as the motives of the ETS I

1356
00:52:39,049 --> 00:52:37,260
think when when investigators get into

1357
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:39,059
trying to

1358
00:52:42,589 --> 00:52:39,900
um

1359
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:42,599
get into extraterrestrials heads and

1360
00:52:47,390 --> 00:52:44,640
motives and whether they're good or bad

1361
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,400
that's coming from our human lens our

1362
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:49,619
human perspective and it's really hard

1363
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:51,540
to ever know those answers I would just

1364
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:53,700
be just throwing out whatever guesses

1365
00:52:58,670 --> 00:52:56,640
and where I have no idea uh why there

1366
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,680
were there one Theory though I do have

1367
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,559
that's kind of coming around as more

1368
00:53:05,210 --> 00:53:03,119
investigators talk and talk with each

1369
00:53:06,829 --> 00:53:05,220
other which to me is the best thing

1370
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:06,839
that's happened in all of these

1371
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:07,980
different

1372
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,720
um kind of groups you know the the

1373
00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:12,240
crypto groups and Sasquatch groups and

1374
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,339
paranormal groups and UFO groups we're

1375
00:53:18,349 --> 00:53:16,079
all starting to finally communicate with

1376
00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,359
one another and share information and

1377
00:53:22,130 --> 00:53:20,280
you know that new film that David

1378
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:22,140
Pilates just came out with that missing

1379
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:24,839
forever one the UFO connection he talks

1380
00:53:29,329 --> 00:53:27,180
about Laramie and Northern Colorado and

1381
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:29,339
Cheyenne and he talks about these

1382
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:31,619
underwater aquifers and I can tell you

1383
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:33,660
that there are a couple aquifers that

1384
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:35,520
run right under that ranch property and

1385
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:38,940
around that area so I do believe there's

1386
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:40,380
um that's the other thing that that I

1387
00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:41,940
researched as well a lot of these high

1388
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:43,980
strangers look locations across the

1389
00:53:49,569 --> 00:53:47,400
country including Skinwalker and Marley

1390
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:49,579
woods and

1391
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:52,740
there's another place in Ohio pile

1392
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,780
Pennsylvania that had this strange UFO

1393
00:53:59,450 --> 00:53:56,640
creature case in the Albert County Ranch

1394
00:54:01,490 --> 00:53:59,460
they're all really super the highest you

1395
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:01,500
can get as being highly magnetic areas

1396
00:54:07,569 --> 00:54:04,260
so I do believe that there's this kind

1397
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:07,579
of magic formula of you know

1398
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:11,880
electromagnetism and perhaps water you

1399
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:14,579
know that are perhaps opening and

1400
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:17,520
closing some sort of portals or doorways

1401
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:19,859
into the unknown

1402
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:22,020
great thank you for that the next

1403
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:24,420
question is from

1404
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:27,420
from Tumbleweed asking because she

1405
00:54:31,970 --> 00:54:29,640
signed a non-disclosure for filming is

1406
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:31,980
it possible they will never air anything

1407
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:34,740
in order to keep her from speaking

1408
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,240
no no

1409
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:38,640
um this no I'm so excited to see so much

1410
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,319
happened out there during that week of

1411
00:54:44,750 --> 00:54:43,200
filming I'm gonna be just as anxious as

1412
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,760
everybody else to see how they get all

1413
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:46,980
that down to the short 44 minute episode

1414
00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:50,400
but um no it'll air yes it'll for sure

1415
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:51,480
air

1416
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:55,200
also um same uh same person asking

1417
00:54:59,690 --> 00:54:57,000
another question is the property

1418
00:55:02,630 --> 00:54:59,700
possibly at the portal to an underground

1419
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,430
I mean you know

1420
00:55:07,849 --> 00:55:05,760
um I don't know if I could talk about

1421
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:07,859
that but I do believe I mean there were

1422
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,660
bangs and noises and things from

1423
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:11,880
underground so we're not ruling out

1424
00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:13,619
activities under under the ranch

1425
00:55:18,589 --> 00:55:16,260
property in that area so that's a

1426
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:18,599
possibility and something that I'm

1427
00:55:23,089 --> 00:55:21,000
excited to go do more research and

1428
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:23,099
exploring on

1429
00:55:27,290 --> 00:55:24,660
well you know when it comes to a subject

1430
00:55:29,809 --> 00:55:27,300
in general it's almost

1431
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:29,819
for as long as I can remember when I

1432
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,260
first started researching there's always

1433
00:55:34,970 --> 00:55:33,599
been a connection to when it comes to

1434
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,980
the government always something about

1435
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:37,140
underground basis underground this and

1436
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:39,240
that right you know it's it's you know

1437
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:41,579
if it's it's almost you could almost

1438
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,500
just do a full research just on that

1439
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:45,839
never mind the aliens that's true that's

1440
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:48,180
that's true and and I've even you know I

1441
00:55:51,230 --> 00:55:49,500
tried it because out in the Colorado

1442
00:55:53,390 --> 00:55:51,240
Springs and I live right outside of

1443
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,400
Colorado Springs now and there's so many

1444
00:55:59,450 --> 00:55:56,480
military bases here and back in the late

1445
00:56:01,250 --> 00:55:59,460
70s actually the Air Force Academy owned

1446
00:56:03,170 --> 00:56:01,260
more property that kind of went back

1447
00:56:05,690 --> 00:56:03,180
towards the black forest and into the

1448
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:05,700
area of the ranch and you know

1449
00:56:10,549 --> 00:56:08,940
um so I always wondered about like

1450
00:56:11,809 --> 00:56:10,559
underground tunnels were they digging

1451
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,819
tunnels I mean back then it was

1452
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:14,160
Stapleton airport but now we have you

1453
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,400
know the the mysterious uh Dia out there

1454
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,200
and I was connecting the dots like Could

1455
00:56:22,670 --> 00:56:21,359
It Go from these different military

1456
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:22,680
bases

1457
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:23,460
um

1458
00:56:30,589 --> 00:56:27,839
don't I don't know I think that would be

1459
00:56:32,270 --> 00:56:30,599
so hard to keep covered up and

1460
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,280
I don't know

1461
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,440
you know there was a Miss there was a

1462
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:36,480
missile silo Titan missile silo out

1463
00:56:40,970 --> 00:56:38,760
there around that area too so there's

1464
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:40,980
just so many of those questions I don't

1465
00:56:45,650 --> 00:56:43,740
know okay thank you for that another

1466
00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:45,660
question uh do you have any odd

1467
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:47,640
experiences to this day like mind speak

1468
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,270
I do yeah

1469
00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:55,440
yeah it has left me so from time to time

1470
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:59,160
I definitely do yeah and it's a little

1471
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:00,839
unnerving at times

1472
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:02,280
um but

1473
00:57:06,410 --> 00:57:04,800
um for me what happened on the ranch as

1474
00:57:09,069 --> 00:57:06,420
a young girl was really terrifying and

1475
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:09,079
scary when I was younger

1476
00:57:16,130 --> 00:57:13,619
now you know like so many I really

1477
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:16,140
research you know the keeping yourself

1478
00:57:19,309 --> 00:57:17,940
at a higher vibration and protecting

1479
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:19,319
yourself with the white light and I

1480
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,760
Journal everything that happens that's

1481
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:22,559
one tip I have for any listener out

1482
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,500
there whatever the unusual experience

1483
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:28,079
you have is to journal it in as much

1484
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,940
detail as you can at the time in fact

1485
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,680
when I got done filming I made sure I

1486
00:57:35,210 --> 00:57:33,240
did a recording of everything I could

1487
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,220
remember that happened because our

1488
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:37,500
memories are not all that reliable and

1489
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:39,420
great you know so

1490
00:57:43,730 --> 00:57:41,640
um I try to you know you know sounds or

1491
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:43,740
things falling or just kind more

1492
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:45,240
paranormal type things than anything

1493
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:48,599
else however right before I filmed

1494
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,160
um I had a this like a a softball not a

1495
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,680
baseball but a softball size white light

1496
00:57:59,930 --> 00:57:57,839
and I could just see it right to the

1497
00:58:03,589 --> 00:57:59,940
right here in my bedroom at this house

1498
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:03,599
and I went to turn and boom it went so

1499
00:58:07,490 --> 00:58:05,400
oh and I'm getting high pitch ring in my

1500
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:07,500
ear right as we speak right now so stuff

1501
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:10,020
like that just all the time I don't know

1502
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,180
what it is but it's there

1503
00:58:17,329 --> 00:58:15,599
so uh I this question is probably for

1504
00:58:19,069 --> 00:58:17,339
you it wasn't formulated so I'm not sure

1505
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,079
if they're chatting there but I figured

1506
00:58:24,410 --> 00:58:22,079
I asked it anyway uh from sauerkraut

1507
00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:24,420
asking why is it that mostly women get

1508
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,520
analyzed by aliens

1509
00:58:31,910 --> 00:58:29,760
oh I think it's just as equally men

1510
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,920
um from all the research I've done

1511
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:33,599
um I I don't think it's more than women

1512
00:58:38,329 --> 00:58:35,940
I think what you see is more women are

1513
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:38,339
more apt to talk about it than men

1514
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,980
um men are not as open

1515
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:43,440
um to talk about these subjects as women

1516
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:46,740
are but I think they're equally taken

1517
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,640
okay there's another question from uh

1518
00:58:55,430 --> 00:58:53,280
roll the losing dice asking I think you

1519
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,440
mentioned that this already that you did

1520
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,359
it says have you had Shadow People

1521
00:59:01,789 --> 00:59:00,000
appearing in the bedroom in the night I

1522
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,799
have when I was young yes at the house

1523
00:59:05,630 --> 00:59:04,200
not on the ranch though that's why I I

1524
00:59:07,370 --> 00:59:05,640
didn't really connect them at the time

1525
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,380
until other people started talking about

1526
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,660
I never slept alone I had to scoot the

1527
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:11,520
bed against the wall my older sister

1528
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:13,440
she's six years older she slept with me

1529
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:15,180
all the time you know that whole thing

1530
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:16,380
you do when you're a little kid like

1531
00:59:19,789 --> 00:59:18,119
when you're afraid of the boogeyman but

1532
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:19,799
I would see these shadow figures like

1533
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:21,480
inside my doorway peeking around the

1534
00:59:27,530 --> 00:59:23,880
door standing to the right to next to my

1535
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:27,540
bed I was terrified of them yep

1536
00:59:32,150 --> 00:59:30,660
okay well Katie thank you very much

1537
00:59:34,910 --> 00:59:32,160
um I appreciate thank you for doing this

1538
00:59:37,549 --> 00:59:34,920
today well and for those of you watching

1539
00:59:39,230 --> 00:59:37,559
um Katie is going to be one of the

1540
00:59:41,569 --> 00:59:39,240
speakers at the Ozark Mountain UFO

1541
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,579
conference is coming up so uh come and

1542
00:59:46,190 --> 00:59:43,440
see us both I will be there she will be

1543
00:59:48,289 --> 00:59:46,200
there and um it'll be exciting one like

1544
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:48,299
it is usually every year I know you

1545
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:51,780
attended uh last year but uh this year

1546
00:59:54,650 --> 00:59:53,040
you'll be a speaker

1547
00:59:56,450 --> 00:59:54,660
right it's so much fun it's a cool

1548
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:56,460
little town and I have so much to share

1549
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,319
and I hope to see you out there I have a

1550
01:00:01,010 --> 00:59:59,760
lot of recordings from my interviews

1551
01:00:02,569 --> 01:00:01,020
that I'll be sharing and things like

1552
01:00:04,490 --> 01:00:02,579
that so I hope to see you guys out there

1553
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:04,500
will be a great time all right good deal

1554
01:00:10,670 --> 01:00:07,559
well as always in the description below

1555
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:10,680
um I have the link for um Katie page so

1556
01:00:14,450 --> 01:00:12,420
you can check out any books that she has

1557
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:14,460
or contact information anything else she

1558
01:00:20,270 --> 01:00:16,740
has to offer there and of course in the

1559
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,280
description uh below is their same link

1560
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:22,260
to the registration page as well for the

1561
01:00:27,589 --> 01:00:25,020
conference so I hope you have the time

1562
01:00:30,589 --> 01:00:27,599
to check it out and hopefully attend but

1563
01:00:31,549 --> 01:00:30,599
uh yeah Katie thanks again I appreciate

1564
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:31,559
it

1565
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,960
um this will be probably yeah this is

1566
01:00:37,309 --> 01:00:35,640
definitely the first time meeting we've

1567
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,319
talked before but I'm looking forward to

1568
01:00:41,650 --> 01:00:39,660
that as well and so it'll be it'll be

1569
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:41,660
packed full of information in people

1570
01:00:45,710 --> 01:00:44,400
well thank you so much Aiden for having

1571
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:45,720
me and I look forward to meeting you in

1572
01:00:49,609 --> 01:00:47,880
person anytime I hope we can do this

1573
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:49,619
again sometime you know conference

1574
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:51,720
related or not so all right well

1575
01:00:54,410 --> 01:00:52,980
everyone I'm sure I'm able to talk about

1576
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,420
better I'll come back on and tell you

1577
01:00:59,329 --> 01:00:56,640
everything that happened good deal good

1578
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,339
deal well everyone else thanks very much